When Sorrow Sang
Blind Guardian

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Created by: Storn
Submitted: over 5 years ago
Ranked: 5 months ago
Source: Nightfall in Middle-Earth
Tags:
Power Metal, Hansi Kürsch, Hansi Kursch, André Olbrich, Andre Olbrich, Marcus Siepen, Thomas "Thomen" Stauch, Oliver Holzwarth, Fantasy, Lord of the Rings, The Silmarillion, The Void
BPM: 184
Length: 4:24
Passes/Fails: 263 / 529

[4K] 19.11 - Sorrow

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Razorflame
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about 5 years ago

Does not have the same emphasis as the previous chords (255975|3,255975|4,256083|1,256083|2,256192|3,256192|4,256300|1,256300|2), so I suggest it be made a single.

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Razorflame
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about 5 years ago

Same sound as this chord: 238426|2,238426|4 , so why not make it a double?

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Razorflame
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about 5 years ago

This note has the same sound as this chord: 232758|1,232758|2 , so why not make it a double?

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Razorflame
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about 5 years ago

These two chords have the same sound as these two chords: 222241|1,222241|2,222322|3,222322|4 , so I would suggest changing them to doubles.

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Razorflame
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about 5 years ago

There are three separate chords up there. All three have the same sound as the previous chords (133472|2,133472|3,133472|4) that you mapped as triples, so this is an inconsistency to map these as doubles instead of triples.

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Razorflame
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about 5 years ago

Same emphasis as this chord: 125295|1,125295|3,125295|4 , if not more, so this one should be made a triple.


Razorflame
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about 5 years ago

or a quad.

Storn
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about 5 years ago

disagree that its more emphasis. its a stronger cymbal, but lacks the snare or the power the guitar had in the previous note. feels like a solid step down to me.

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Razorflame
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about 5 years ago

Again, another one-handed trill that I think should be made into a two-handed trill.

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Razorflame
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about 5 years ago

Not sure if one handed trills are necessary for this difficulty and at this BPM. Maybe make this a two hand trill instead?


Razorflame
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about 5 years ago

Game cut off the other part of that: 108314|3,108396|4,108478|3

Storn
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about 5 years ago

This chart uses a bunch of one hand patterns (such as 127089|1,127171|2,127253|1,127417|2,127581|1,127663|2,127745|1,127827|2,127909|1) These sections are relatively short short and have a good distance between them and give time for the player to learn the rhythm before asking them to preform it on one hand.There are plenty on 16th streams throughout the file, and these are not continuous 16th OHTs so they should have the speed to perform it. This just wants some control. Its a trickier section of the song, but i feel it is well within the difficulty of the map, and provides a good challenge while not being insanely impossible.

Razorflame
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about 5 years ago

Yes, there was one one-handed trill that I found to be extremely difficult, and it was the second one listed in this mod.

Razorflame
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about 5 years ago

Sorry, it was the one in the mod above here.

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Razorflame
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about 5 years ago

Same sound as this chord (101457|1,101457|2), so why not make it a double?

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Razorflame
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about 5 years ago

There is no second sound that can be heard on 1.0x rate that indicates that these should be separated.

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Razorflame
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about 5 years ago

Same sound as this chord (80870|1,80870|2), so why not make this a double LN?


Razorflame
User
about 5 years ago

86412|1,86575|1 - same with these.

Storn
Creator
about 5 years ago

double LN makes zero sense in the context of this section. Its a move that feels very much against my style of charting.
I'd prefer to keep the solo holds for the solo guitar in this section. the only real jumps in this section are the transitions between the call and response of the two guitars. similar to https://quavergame.com/mapset/map/18179/mods#mod_1277

Storn
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about 5 years ago

wrong link, i meant to say its a similar situation to https://quavergame.com/mapset/map/18179/mods#mod_1275

Razorflame
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about 5 years ago

Well explained! Thanks, this helped me out quite a bit in understanding why you mapped the way you did!

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Razorflame
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about 5 years ago

Same sound as this chord (65807|2,65807|3), so why not make this note a chord as well?


Razorflame
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about 5 years ago

Also this note as well: 75935|1

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Razorflame
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about 5 years ago

This note, along with 5985|1 , 6639|2 , 7293|4 , 7947|1 , 8601|2, 9254|4 , and 9908|2 all seem to have to same sound as this sound (10561|2,10562|1) , so why not make them doubles?


Storn
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about 5 years ago

i have a hard time agreeing to this idea, but this did give me a great idea on how to better represent the building harmonies of this section. I have somewhat implemented this idea, but better.

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Razorflame
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about 5 years ago

Very small suggestion, but move this to column 3?


Storn
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about 5 years ago

disagree for multiple reasons. mainly moving the note to 3 would create a 43.4.3 and is awkward to play, significantly more than what is currently there.

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Razorflame
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about 5 years ago

Same sound as this chord (60580|1,60580|3). Possibly make the note in the box a chord as well?

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Razorflame
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about 5 years ago

Chords before (96535|1,96535|2,96701|2,96701|4) and after (99490|2,99490|3) seem to have the same sound as these three notes, so why not make these three notes chords as well?


Storn
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about 5 years ago

96535|1,96535|2,96701|2,96701|4 has snare while 96867|1,97113|1,97359|1 doesn't. Its also a sharp change of intensity in the song that i think is better reflected with single notes.

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Razorflame
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about 5 years ago

Chords before (96535|1,96535|2,96701|2,96701|4) and after (99490|2,99490|3) seem to have the same sound as these three notes, so why not make these three notes chords as well?


Razorflame
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about 5 years ago

You can ignore one of these, that was my mistake.