The Holy Grail
Blind Guardian

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Created by: Storn
Submitted: about 4 years ago
Ranked: over 3 years ago
Source: Beyond the Red Mirror
Tags:
The Disturbance of the Here and Now (Reprise), Symphonic, Power, Metal, Hansi Kürsch
BPM: 167
Length: 5:57
Passes/Fails: 243 / 563

[4K] 23.16 - Magna Eterna

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

Try to not omit these sounds, add a note here, 352852, 354289 and 355727

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

Add one note here, 347643|3 and 347822|2, strong drum

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

Strong drums again, add one note on every sound like this

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over 3 years ago


Storn
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over 3 years ago

thats not a transition

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

You can follow the same example has i pointed before on https://quavergame.com/mapset/map/25609/mods#mod_1702, same pitch, same guitar.

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

Here we got a snap transition, for make it more clear, you can add one note for emphasize the cymbal and make that transition more noticeable


Storn
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over 3 years ago

not a fan of notes just cus its a transition

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

Why is this different to 274888?


Storn
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over 3 years ago

snare vs no snare

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

Since you followed drums like this on 259798 and 260158, you can add one note here


Storn
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over 3 years ago

theres already notes there for the durms

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

Why are these LNs, revert to normal notes?


Skalim
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over 3 years ago

Sorry, ignore this.

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

You can add one note here, 255667 and 255846 for follow the consistency of similar patterns


Storn
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over 3 years ago

consistency in not having notes here.

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago


Storn
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over 3 years ago

theres no note here to add.

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

This part feels like it needs to be connected with more normal notes, because yea, you are following the drums like 231325|4,231415|2,231505|4, but the problem is that in patterns like 231775 the pattern changed without reason. This makes the pattern a little uncomfortable on gameplay because you are totally focused on the solo. Consider add the missing notes, not necessarily adding two notes per drums, just one on the missing parts.


Storn
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over 3 years ago

i'm not entirely sure what you're talking about but i assume you mean the missing cymbals in this section. i've gone and added them back in.

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

Swap this for emphasize the first column only for drums, also for this, you have to move 231236|1 to the second column for evade the jack


Storn
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over 3 years ago

No, thats not my style.

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

Because of cymbal, you can add a note on the first column and move 230427|1 to the fourth column

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

This pattern has the same sound as 206804, erase this notes


Storn
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over 3 years ago

the sounds are different. there is a snare on those notes, the jumps are justified.

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

Overuse of the second column, swap them

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

Don't lose the focus, you are missing triples here, add one note here as you did on similar points before

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

i can hear the cymbal and the drum here, add one note


Storn
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over 3 years ago

i think thats just bleed from the last cymbal. I double checked with a live video and while its probably different, there was also not a cymbal on that note.

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

The notes are justified, but i am concerned about notes like: 167822|2,168002|1, 168541|4,168721|3, etc. because you can do this patterns like jacks for justify the guitar at his max point, i did a suggerence here if you want to follow it and for make it more attractive at gameplay.

https://i.imgur.com/ttW04eh.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ODPy4CX.jpg

at this way, you are following the pitch of the guitar, emphasizing the strongest parts of the sound.


Storn
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over 3 years ago

i've changed up the section a bit. i'm keeping the section like it is, but rearranging the notes a bit.

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

I can't anything that can justify that triple, d e l e t


Storn
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over 3 years ago

from what i hear there is a faint cymbal in the background, so thats probably what it was for

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

Start of a pattern and with cymbal, you can add one more note.

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

Cymbal and drum (?), you can add one or two notes here, at 144110 and 146984


Storn
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over 3 years ago

this is a calmer section of the song and the cymbals aren't very crashy. adding notes in for them kind of muddies up the section.

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

Same as https://quavergame.com/mapset/map/25609/mods#mod_1689, apply to 136385 and 136745

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

Since you followed the drums at 127224, continue adding notes as drums here and 130637


Storn
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over 3 years ago

there's already notes there for the drums. we dont need more.

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

if you followed https://quavergame.com/mapset/map/25609/mods#mod_1685, you can move the first note at the fourth column, move the second note to the first column and add a note at 103870, at this way you are emphasizing the gallop feeling and at the same time you are varying the pattern, making the trill mirrored.


Storn
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over 3 years ago

what?

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

the drum here is stronger than 103331 and maybe equally to 103152, you can add a note at the third column

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

You can swap this notes, it actually feels like you are reusing the columns too much


Storn
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over 3 years ago

its called a trill. its supposed to use the same column.

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

I forgot to mention that you can add at this kind of introductions one more note, since the cymbal is there flying and calling for help, 52134 here too and 55008


Storn
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over 3 years ago

i'm leaving some of these out. if i add a note for every cymbal the map will get lost in density. the ones i've left out aren't really crashes, and blend in with the rest of the cymbals that aren't being mapped.

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

Add a note as a cymbal

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

Keep the consistency as 48721, the pattern feels like is cutting the music with the lack of density

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

Since you added notes as a stream on 48721, add the same amount of notes at the blue lines, ending the pattern at 52044

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

Add a note, strong pitch and you are not breaking the pattern adding it, just emphasizing it


Storn
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over 3 years ago

there is already a note there.

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

For make more variety and follow the pitch, add a note following the cymbal of the background, on 47643 too

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

You can swap these notes for follow the consistency and the pitch of the guitar


Storn
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over 3 years ago

i understand the issue here, but i've moved other notes around to fix it.

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

You can add a note at the first column for follow the drum, move 40727|1 to the fourth column and move 40816|4 to the first column, at this way you are not breaking the pattern

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

You can add a note at the third column, move 39110|3 to second, move 39200|2 to first column and move 39289|1 to the third column


Storn
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over 3 years ago

i could, but there is absolutely no reason you to.

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

Same as https://quavergame.com/mapset/map/25609/mods#mod_1662, but more necessary due to the lack of order here


Storn
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over 3 years ago

????

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

ok i get the intention, but, as a suggerence too, you can add a note at this kind of points


Storn
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over 3 years ago

there is already a not there and i dont see a reason to add more.

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

Did you forgot a note? because you are following the drums at the start of the pattern


Storn
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over 3 years ago

no, there is definitely a note there.

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

Sound here, you can add one on second column and move 23481|2 to third column.

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

Since you added doubles at 22673, for emphasize the sound a little, you can convert 19798 at doubles and 22673 as triples.


Storn
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over 3 years ago

please read the map comments, this was already brought up there.

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

Strong noice and new transition, you can add one note here for emphasize the sound, like 18541, 18900, 19439, 20876, 21415, 21775 and 22313 (Click on "Tools/Go to object" and copypaste the numbers for go to the exact point)


Storn
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over 3 years ago

theres already notes there??

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

You actually added notes there, without any context, delete them or…:
------- you can add notes in all the white lines, since the drum is stronger there (like 11894 and 12254 for example) omiting this 14050 kind of transition of course, your choice at this point.


Storn
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over 3 years ago

thats exactly why those notes are there??

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

You can add there too, its the end of the introduction, let's end it with grace


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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

Drum, cymbal, pitch, you can add one more note on that points.


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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

On this sections, you can add 1 note for emphasize the drum


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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

This sounds are stronger than the drums of before, you can add notes on these parts for emphasize them.


Storn
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over 3 years ago

That is why they are jumps. they dont need more emphasis. i could in fact make them hands, but i think that would be less consistent with the chart as a whole and i'd rather just keep them as jumps

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

Since you are following the drums on 1116, add a note here and on 2553 for follow the consistency of the pattern


Storn
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over 3 years ago

thats not how the structure works, and would make the chart more inconsistent. the sounds there do not deserve to be jumps and thus are not.

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Skalim
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over 3 years ago

This should be more dense, Drum, synth and cymbal, and also the sound is generally strong than the rest of the sound


Storn
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over 3 years ago

The jump is already enough for this sound. having a hand would be overkill and doesn't work will the current layering scheme of the chart.