Kislorod
Receptor

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Created by: Ventilo
Submitted: almost 3 years ago
Ranked: about 2 years ago
Source: n/a
Tags:
Electronic, Psy, Jacks, Tech
BPM: 173
Length: 6:42
Passes/Fails: 152 / 987

[4K] 31.52 - Infinity

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Lott
User
over 2 years ago

267518 vs 278616 uses different patterning for the exact same musical section so applying the minijack pattern at 267518 to both should fix the issue


Ventilo
Creator
over 2 years ago

True, also rearranged some patterns arround this area because I spotted few other inconsistencies there. Shoud be better now

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Lott
User
over 2 years ago

73471|4,73558|3, 76246|3,76332|1, 84569|3,84656|2, 92893|4,92980|3


Lott
User
over 2 years ago

(yes i lost the original follow-up comment)

this continues up to 109540|2,109627|3 so copy-pasting all iterations is a literal waste

the thing i wanna point out is that these (compared to 67922|2,68009|2, 77633|3,77720|3,…) have different structures despite representing the same 2 notes, admittedly hard to notice cuz the section plays well but oh well

(69309|3,69396|1 and the likes are an exception cuz they stand out (you know how))

Lott
User
over 2 years ago

i might have missed some intentions here so lmk if i do

Ventilo
Creator
over 2 years ago

Yeah that's weird, sometimes I used LNs, sometimes jacks, sometimes streams… I changed it all to stream patterns like the 1st timestamp you brought up

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Lott
User
over 2 years ago

since 47200 used a double, this should have one too i think

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Lott
User
over 2 years ago

do a 5 note burst to be consistent with 99743 and the likes


Lott
User
over 2 years ago

at first my leniency thought it's for musicil exception purposes but upon closer investigation both sounds exactly the same so it's obviously unreasonable to map them differently

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Lott
User
over 2 years ago

should have a note here for consistency w 75702|3 and cuz you don't exclude out stuffs like this anywhere else

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Cuckson
Ranking Supervisor
over 2 years ago

another jump that could be layered a bit more densely to represent the finish here


Cuckson
Ranking Supervisor
over 2 years ago

quite a lot of these in this last section, up to you what you want to do

Ventilo
Creator
over 2 years ago

same answer than for 5:33.67

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Cuckson
Ranking Supervisor
over 2 years ago

feels a bit overcharted to me for downtime here in the song, reduce the density possibly


Ventilo
Creator
over 2 years ago

I don't consider it as overchrted and I don't really feel that it's a downtime. For the density I don't think it's a problem, there is a noticeable difference in density between this part and the part coming after it and I don't think it would be a good thing to make this density gap too big as I want this chart to be a lot focus on stamina/consistency

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Cuckson
Ranking Supervisor
over 2 years ago

bass sounds not layered here when compared with previous sections such as 55783|1,55827|2,55870|4,55913|3. its excusable for 59946 as you have your priority in layering and that's clear to me


Cuckson
Ranking Supervisor
over 2 years ago

this issue occurs quite frequently, check around for the sample and make sure you're layering it as intended

Cuckson
Ranking Supervisor
over 2 years ago

in this section of course ^^

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Cuckson
Ranking Supervisor
over 2 years ago

could do with continued representation at 49194 & 49281 for these, it's weird how you layer in these synth wubs / bursts but then don't continue them and this happens quite frequently, is this intentional for difficulty reasons or something?


Cuckson
Ranking Supervisor
over 2 years ago

scratch the last one at 49281, i see 49280|2,49309|4

Ventilo
Creator
over 2 years ago

The graces only represent high pitched synth (not low pitched synth which is less noticeable while playing)

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Cuckson
Ranking Supervisor
over 2 years ago

shouldn't there be a wub burst here for consistency with the previous sections (90292, 89599)? it slowly echoes out, so maybe just represent them as less dense bursts but that's up to you

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Cuckson
Ranking Supervisor
over 2 years ago

maybe put a hand here for the finish?


Ventilo
Creator
over 2 years ago

The other hands are always on very stong kicks, it would be out of place to make this note a hand

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Lott
User
over 2 years ago

there's no growl heard so i think you should use something else (if you're mapping to something else that's quite a confusing usage too)


Ventilo
Creator
over 2 years ago

True, replaced by minijacks

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Lott
User
over 2 years ago

there's a growl here, add a 1/8 burst like how you always did?


Ventilo
Creator
over 2 years ago

Yeah, also added one at 291102 for the same reason
I also noticed that I could add a not at 296781 and 307879 to express the quick high pitched sound in the background

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Lott
User
over 2 years ago

311044 to 330986 has quite variable patterning in a bad way (especially on the instrumental-synth-thing). i understand your intention to mix up things a bit, but here it becomes inconsistencies due to how vastly different some iterations can be (you switched between continuous doubles, to double-single-double, double-double-single, some with jacks, some without jacs, blabla..). would be nice if you can rework on this to be more consistent.


Lott
User
over 2 years ago

this seems to be a similar issue to https://quavergame.com/mapset/map/69241/mods#mod_7567, and i agree on what eclipse- said, using 1 template and apply that for the whole section.

Ventilo
Creator
over 2 years ago

I see where is the issue, I switched the focus randomly several times during that part (not really randomly but I agree that I need to keep it consistent during this part. The whole part is now more consistent, mosstly based on what the first few measures were at 1st

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Lott
User
over 2 years ago

i'm very sure there's a missing note here


Lott
User
over 2 years ago

same here, mark the duplicated mods as rejected thanks

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Lott
User
over 2 years ago

i'm very sure there's a missing note here


Lott
User
over 2 years ago

wtf why did it duplicate

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Issue
Lott
User
over 2 years ago

i'm very sure there's a missing note here

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Lott
User
over 2 years ago

this is surprisingly underwhelming for a set of continuous kicks (especially compared to 88125 which is a bit similar), personally you might need to use sum more jacks on this to differentiate this with surrounding patterns

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Lott
User
over 2 years ago

(the timeline i'm gonna refer in this mod is 267518, 268905, as well as similar iterations occuring later)

felt somewhat confused with this patterning change, you were using doubles at the start of each of these growls (the first one is not exactly a growl but eh you patterned it the same) and now triples are being used

same for 278616, 280003, the 1/8 bursts are moved by 1/4, which is yet another patterning "variety" for this

i think the reason for this is to make stuffs less repetitive, but 1. the bursts already varies in itself and 2. this kind of variety feels more disoriented than engaging imo


Lott
User
over 2 years ago

overall i suggest keeping stuffs consistent when it comes to this growl (reasons stated above), with doubles at the start of each burst and use whatever you picked at https://quavergame.com/mapset/map/69241/mods#mod_8930 (which is either full 1/8 or 1/8->1/6)

sorry if this comes out as confusing, tho i don't have any better ways to explain this

feel free to reach out to me on discord if you're confused with anything!

Lott
User
over 2 years ago

i assume this is fairly unresolved, gonna talk about this on discord later

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Lott
User
over 2 years ago

there's nothing worth emphasizing here (no percussion, no instrument) so this should be a single

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Lott
User
over 2 years ago

grace for the synth?


Ventilo
Creator
over 2 years ago

Can you give me an example ?

Lott
User
over 2 years ago

it's the same case with 260148 soooo

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Lott
User
over 2 years ago

this is more of a subjective concern, however it would be nice if you progresses from 1/6 (to maybe 1/7) to 1/8 so that it can make a smoother buildup to accompany the pewpews getting faster

also this small v at 219136|2,219179|1,219223|2 right after the minijack at 218876|1,218962|1 is quite abrupt so i also suggest rearranging this


Ventilo
Creator
over 2 years ago

1/for the v I competely rearranged that to a 1/4 stream pattern
2/What do you think if I start at 03:39:310 with 1/5 and on each beat I increase the snap by one ? (1/5=>1/6=>1/7=>1/8) also if you think it's a good idea : Idk how to make 1/5 and 1/7 snaps on Quaver atm (pliz elp)

Lott
User
over 2 years ago

to use custom snaps, go to Beat Snap (bottom right corner), choose Custom and type x where 1/x is your desired snap (if you want 1/5 you do like what i said then type 5)

your solution is good enough i suppose

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Lott
User
over 2 years ago

compare to other iterations of this pattern (ie 49888), this is an inconsistency, since you used 1/6 here while used 1/8 for the rest of the stuffs.
however, i personally prefer using 1/6 wayyy more than 1/8, because of how the growl fades out

you can either fix the 1/6 burst to 1/8, or make all other iterations of this growl mapped like 83183, both works fine i suppose


Lott
User
over 2 years ago

(just in case you wanna change to 1/6, a quite faraway iteration can be found at 132951)

Ventilo
Creator
over 2 years ago

Changed to what it was initially at 49888 : 1/8 on the 1st half then 1/6. Also done that at 55263 and 132951

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Lott
User
over 2 years ago

considering 52792 (and similar iterations) doesn't have a note here, i think this was placed by mistake and should be removed


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Lott
User
over 2 years ago

i think this should be a double, there's only a kick here (and if any pew-synth does exist it's also unnoticeable)

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Lott
User
over 2 years ago

feels like this can be removed, places like 52769, 74965 and 86064 (they all have that echo-y synth) doesn't have any notes there so i assume this is a patterning inconsistency

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Lott
User
over 2 years ago

dunno why this is a triple but 58015 is a double when there's notably more emphasis on 58015


Ventilo
Creator
over 2 years ago

Oh yes this is a mistake, both the double and the triple were supposed to be 1/4 earlier. Fixed

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Lott
User
over 2 years ago

personally would have this note removed to focus more on the beeps (which are mapped by the last 3 notes)


Ventilo
Creator
over 2 years ago

I think it's better to keep it to emphasize the continous "vibrating" sound (idk how to describe that sound better)

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Lott
User
over 2 years ago

i think a note can be added here to match with 32263, also for the "volume-progressing-synth" i mentioned below

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Issue
Lott
User
over 2 years ago

(this is more of a general consistency issue actually.)
from 11217 to 13992, 16766 to 19541, the "volume-progressing-synths" (which appears from 8963 to 11217) doesn't exist at these sections, so the long streams are quite misleading. pls remove the notes above to fix this, unless you have another reason to specify


Ventilo
Creator
over 2 years ago

I applied it for every note except for 13.38 (which I think justified to keep) and I changed the layering to make it more conssistent

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Lott
User
over 2 years ago

i believe you should add a note here considering 2807, 4194 (and similar iterations) all have a note there

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Eclipse
User
almost 3 years ago

288847|1, 288934|1, 289020|2, 289107|2, 289194|4, 289280|4 stacked notes


Eclipse
User
almost 3 years ago

oops, let me format those better: 288847|1, 288934|1, 289020|2, 289107|2, 289194|4, 289280|4.

Ventilo
Creator
over 2 years ago

I checked and I swear that they're no stacked note here

Eclipse
User
over 2 years ago

I'm really confused because there aren't actually any stacked notes as you say, but I wouldn't have said there were some if there weren't any lmao

basically ignore this is what I'm saying, awkward situation

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Eclipse
User
almost 3 years ago

section starting at 288673|4:
A lot of trouble with consistency here. This triple-minijack figure 288847|1,288934|1,289020|2,289107|2,289194|4,289280|4 is correctly replicated at 290234|4 and then at 291621|2,291708|2,291795|3,291881|3,292055|4,292142|4 the third minijack is off by one 1/4 beat. Then at 293009|4,293095|4,293182|1,293269|1 there are only two minijacks… And similar inconsistencies throughout the section.

295176|3 is a single note despite representing a kick and creates a single minijack with the following hand - while at 297951|1,297951|4 not only is it a jump, but it creates two minijacks at once. A bit later, at 309049|3, the kick is a single note that doesn't even create a minijack with the following hand… you get the point.

I would suggest finding one single structure template for the repeating phrases of this section that you want to go with and remapping that part with this structure in mind, because (speaking from experience) trying to fix a load of inconsistencies in such an intense map is often tedious and unnecessarily time consuming.


Ventilo
Creator
over 2 years ago

I remapped that part from scratch

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Eclipse
User
almost 3 years ago

are those mapped to the new echoing sound? If so, you missed them starting at 258847|1.

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Eclipse
User
almost 3 years ago

245668|4,245668|1,245841|4,245841|1 (and other instances of this): This is a 44ms gap between releases. While it's not unallowed in theory (36ms is the minimum according to the RC), the usage of releases and release gaps anywhere near the limit needs to be heavily backed by the general structure and concept for the chart. To put it simply - these sorts of releases and gaps are fine if the map's general concept is to operate on tricky releases. This map's general concept seems to mostly revolve around minijacks and light speedjacks - which makes such gaps inappropriate.


Ventilo
Creator
over 2 years ago

I made those LNs 1/8th shorter

Ventilo
Creator
over 2 years ago

Same 10 seconds later where the releases were the same

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Eclipse
User
almost 3 years ago

I think it would be pretty cool if that ln grace was mirrored (since that one is heard on the left ear primarily, and the following pattern is mirrored in this way)

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Eclipse
User
almost 3 years ago

the section starting at this timestamp is pretty confusing in general. The song only keeps building up, yet the map becomes infinitely easier at this moment for some reason. Where did all the jacks go?


Ventilo
Creator
over 2 years ago

I agree, I changed that part to add more jumps where it was relevant

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Eclipse
User
almost 3 years ago

86130|1,86217|1,86303|1,86390|1, 87171|3,87257|3,87344|3,87431|3 these quadruple jacks have their justification in the song, but definitely no justification in the context of the map's overall difficulty. A decent way to convey those without them being a painful difficulty spike would be to make them two separate minijacks on the same hand (for instance conseecutive minijacks on columns 1 and 2).

88211|3,88211|2,88298|3,88298|2,88384|3,88384|2,88471|3,88471|2 as for this one I see a better case for a quadruple jack here - however to balance out the difficulty it would be more reasonable for the jack to be onehanded (e.g. columns 1-2 or 3-4).


Ventilo
Creator
over 2 years ago

Applied for the 2 first long jacks.
For the other one I prefer to keep it in the middle to avoid handbias

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Eclipse
User
almost 3 years ago

77806|4,77806|1,77980|4,78066|4,78153|3,78153|2,78153|1,78327|1,78413|1,78413|3,78673|2,78760|2,78847|1,78847|3,78847|4 and other instances of this:
The song gets more complex and is adding more elements to it over time. The map tries to highlight those changes by ironically removing objects - this creates very arbitrary empty spaces in the middle of an intense section of the song. There are other ways to represent the new sounds, here are a few possible options to try:

  • keeping the minijacks on one column and have the density of the other hand balance out roughly
  • using short LNs on the same column to emphasize the new short sounds
  • (a little trickier) represent those beep boops as one single type of jump (preferably onehanded) and use them alongside the jumps that come from kicks while balancing out the patterning accordingly

Ventilo
Creator
over 2 years ago

I tried the last suggestion

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Eclipse
User
almost 3 years ago

lack of minijack at 59945|4,60032|3 despite it being at 54396|3,54483|3, make sure to scan the map for other instances of that sort of stuff too. It's important to stay consistent - either of these approaches is fine, but not arbitrarily switching between each other.

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Eclipse
User
almost 3 years ago

missed hands at 59425|3,59425|4, 60812|1,60812|4 and a couple other places


Ventilo
Creator
over 2 years ago

True, but the couple other places you're talking about are intended because there are bursts after it so it would make the pattern much harder to hit

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Eclipse
User
almost 3 years ago

pay attention to hand balance in your patterns! 45899|3,45899|1,45986|2,46072|1,46159|1,46246|3,46246|2,46246|4,46332|1 or 50061|2,50061|1,50147|3,50234|1,50321|1,50408|2,50408|3,50408|4,50494|1,50581|2,50668|4,50668|2,50754|1 exhibit a massive and intrusive hand bias, and there are a lot more cases of this sort of patterning. The patterning should ideally aim to be balanced between the hands most of the time!

The first step to fix that would definitely be to rearrange the minijack positions to usually switch hands (for instance, after the first minijack on the left hand, the second should ideally aim to be on the right hand, unless there's some special pitch relevancy concept at play or whatnot)


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Eclipse
User
almost 3 years ago

in this section the layering scheme appears to be (among others) a kick in the song equals a jump in the map. Therefore, 45379|2,45379|1 and 48153|3,48153|2 and 50928|2,50928|1 and several others should be single notes.

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Eclipse
User
almost 3 years ago

missed jump